Whenever I consider doing an interview, there are a couple things that I look for. For starters, does the person in question have the drive to continue reaching for the stars; and secondly, does that person have an interesting story.

Ellie Murphy is all the above, plus a little more. She’s also well educated, down to earth, funny, incredibly sexy, and yeah … she’s got the drive that will eventually take her to the top of our industry. Along the way, her story will end up a hundred times more interesting than it already is.

Ellie is the girl next door– if you happen to live next to a gorgeous red head that is ready, willing, and able to do almost anything.

With that said, I have known of Ellie Murphy for a little over a year. Over the course of that time, myself and others have witnessed her transition from camming to doing live scenes, a feat that proves to be difficult for most, if not all who attempt it. The adult industry, from the outside looking in, appears to be wide open– one big, happy family. However, when viewed from within, it is full of cliques, categories, and definitions. This is not an indictment of our beloved group, merely an observation of the way the business operates.

On a rainy Monday evening in December, over the span of a couple hours, Ellie and I chatted on a Zoom call. What I found was a girl who has overcome tremendous adversity in her past and wants to break through those dividing walls, continuing to be a successful and sought-after actress. She eventually wants to combine roles, moving behind the camera and perfecting her vision of what adult entertainment should be.

That’s interesting stuff.

What follows is a transcript of our conversation. Give it a read. Then, give Ellie a follow, check out her fan sites, and if you’re so inclined, contact her agent to get her on your set.

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Jim – Hey Ellie, how are you?

Ellie – I’m fine, and you?

Jim – I’m good. Like I said in the notes, we’re just talking like if we’re having coffee, that’s the whole deal.

Ellie- We’re not gonna eat cake?

Jim – No, we aren’t having cake, just imaginary coffee. But since we’re on zoom, go ahead and find your best place in the cam …

Ellie- Got it. Here. This is my good side, Haha.

Jim- Nice. I don’t have a good side. So, it’s easy for me. I can go like this or turn the other way. It doesn’t matter.

Ellie- Thankfully, this side is my good side. Are you tired? You look tired.

Jim- Yeah. I’ve got these retarded looking reading glasses on, so I can actually see my computer screen. It’s horrible. I hate it. All right, you ready? So, it’s Ellie Murphy, and you’re with 101 Modeling. I have your first scene in my notes as coming from July and you also had one come out the other day, and another on December 6th. We can talk about those a little bit later and I’m interested to know because you’re relatively new as far as making movies and scenes. So, what was going on before, like earlier this year, or last year even? Give me a little bit of background. What were you doing?

Ellie- So I started off camming. I came into that from college, which I feel like is relatively common. That was in 2019, and up until like 2021. And then last year, I started looking into getting into mainstream scenes and movies, kind of seeing what it would take to switch sides and seeing if that’s something that I really was going to be interested in. At the beginning of this year, I decided that I was ready to really try and go for it and by the middle of this year, I finally had my first shoot done and released, which was super, super nerve wracking waiting for that to come out. And it’s been just a fun journey ever since.

Jim – So what’s the deal with nerves? We can talk about camming a little bit too. But you mentioned it’s nerve wracking for the scene and let me find it here … which scene are we talking about? Is it “Only edging,” is that the one with Jay Rocks?

Ellie – Oh, I forgot about that one. That was the first of the year, I believe. So That was, I think my first official thing that came out. And then the one with Jay was actually my first real shoot. But my first scene, it was my first release of who I was and getting my name out there. So that was more excitement than anything because I knew it was coming out, but not exactly when.

Jim – So it’s nerve wracking, but that’s very different than camming, right? Because with camming, it’s kind of instant feedback. You don’t have to wait for anything. Is that a good way to compare the two of them?

Ellie – Yeah. As far as reaction and like, you’re whatever you say or doing is viewed immediately, versus with scenes, it could be weeks, months, or even a year before it’s released. You never know when somebody is finally going to get to see that. So, it’s more nerve wracking for me not knowing when they’re coming out because I have no idea what it’s going to look like in the end, because in camming and stuff, you can see yourself back if you choose with video calls and things. And so, when you’re performing, there’s no way to know if you’re making a weird face or if you’re coming across the wrong way, and these are things I want to know. I want to see how it turned out. And don’t get me wrong, it’s a good kind of nerves, but it’s definitely very different.

Jim – I would imagine that the other part of that nervousness is that camming is solo, unless it’s by request or you have a partner, like if somebody wants a custom or something like that. So, is it also collaborating with other people that would kind of add to that? I mean, once you get going, you know how it’s going to go, right? But up until then, it’s a little bit of a “What am I getting into situation,” especially if you don’t know the other performers.

Ellie – Yeah. I think for me it was less of not knowing performers and more of not knowing what you’re getting into. I was like, “How does this work?” Because with the stuff on cam, you run the show. You choose how things get set up and go. You’re in charge of all that. Whereas with the scenes, you’re jumping into somebody else’s world. And I had no idea what to expect on set like, the progression of how the day would go. But in the end, you just roll with it, and it’s fine. Then with solos, performing wise, I think can be more difficult because in a scene, you have somebody to play off. It’s like having a conversation versus trying to practice a monologue.

Jim – I’ve heard a little bit of that, plus maybe differing points of view on camming, where some love it because it’s just them and they can choose to stream if they’re in a good mood and if they’re not, it’s like, “Oh, I don’t feel like it right now, I’ll go live in an hour.” And then, even if you really don’t want to, if you have a following, which you do, the audience will energize that, right? But if you’re with a co-star, you’re depending on them, and they may or may not have really great energy.

Ellie – It’s the same way with having an audience onset. Sometimes everyone can get very chatty. Everybody’s going back and forth and having a great time. We’re all up and everybody’s getting involved. There are other times where maybe your partner is tired, or you’re having a Monday mood and it’s slower and everyone’s quiet. For me, it’s a little tougher when it’s more dead like that. I’m the type of person who likes to have conversations and talk to people. So, you get both sides of it, no matter what you’re doing. Sometimes you’re playing a character or expression of yourself or you’re doing a theme or something like that. It’s different depending on which way you go with it, and the energy you project affects how people receive it and their response to you. In many ways, during a scene, your partner is your audience, so it’s very interactive on so many levels.

Jim – I’m curious to know when you started in camming, what was it about camming that really pulled you in? What made you think, “This is okay. I can do this.”

Ellie – The first draw was just the intrigue of it all, because I originally found the industry a little bit differently. I found it through the documentaries of The Life After Porn shows. So those were my first introduction into behind the scenes of shoots and how things ran, because I had no idea how any of that worked. I had no idea what I was doing. From the way I grew up, I had no idea how my own body worked when I first started camming. So, for me, getting to learn and explore something with other people in a safe space was nice. Also, being encouraged to be yourself and express who you are was part of it. But then, the psychology of it, the power struggles between viewers and the model, that notion of “Who’s in charge” … that dynamic was extremely interesting to me as well. So that was my main draw like, “Oh, I can do this.” And with school and work, it would allow me a little more flexibility than my current job would have.

Jim – Hmm. Interesting. So, I had my follow up about halfway through your answer, and I didn’t write it down, and I forgot it. But you get into camming. You had a sheltered childhood. Do you think that you got what you needed out of that kind of entry? Let me say that differently. If you would have gone into to scenes first, do you feel like you would have been as well developed or informed versus you started out and came in and you had a little bit extra time to really think through a lot of stuff? Do you think that camming was the right way for you to get into it?

Ellie – I don’t know that I would have been able to do mainstream shoots right off the bat, due not really being developed into who I was and what I like as much, but also just the confidence of being in front of the camera in such a normal way. I didn’t really explore any of that stuff. The masturbation videos, any of reality stuff that you see, not just in some of the scenes, but like in camming and just sexual exploration in general really didn’t happen until I started camming. And so, for me, I think that was a better option kind of figuring things out. That side of me of being more confident in myself as far as being able to be assertive in situations like that, if needed. And to be able to say, “Yes, this is good, I like this.” Or “Oh no, that’s a little uncomfortable. Can we move?” I don’t know that would have been something I would have been able to do at first. I’m happy I was able to explore things and learn slowly.

Jim – You mentioned the first time, and I don’t care who you are, the first time can be incredibly frightening, because you’re in front of a camera, in your birthday suit, right? And so, I could see where (on cam) that would be good, like if you needed to, you could hit the off switch, and just kind of escape. Whereas if you’re on set with however many different people, it’s a little bit more difficult and you might feel trapped or not in such a safe place.

Ellie – So yeah, it’s a safe place. For me and for others that I know. Like you say, when you’re on set, it can be a completely foreign environment. It could be a place that you’ve never been and people that you may not have been around before. With a cam, it’s your space that you have set up, how you want your room. You’re in a familiar area. So, I think that helps to be a little more comfortable at first, especially because once I was able to be okay with being in front of the camera and not having clothes on and being able to perform and do all of that solo, it wasn’t as big of a deal for me to transition into doing it in front of a camera with other people. But I had also shot my own content. So, with another person or other people in the room, I think that kind of helps as well. It’s more of a gradual wading in, versus just diving into the deep end.

Jim – And then there was also another part of it that you mentioned, and it comes before the call sheets, the “Yes’s and the No’s checklist.” What are you comfortable with? What are you not comfortable with? You get a chance to really kind of figure that out, and not get yourself into a position where you may think you’re comfortable and then you’re not.

Ellie – That at first, too, because there’s a lot of things to consider that I never really thought of like. But when you think about the world of BDSM, the more fetishistic things, there’s a lot more stuff out there than you realize at first. Even with the basics, I was like, “I have no idea how to start.” If I had a list, I might know what I’d be okay with and what I’m not. But you don’t always get a list like that from everybody. I know that you should, but some don’t give that out. And so, just starting out, without having anything to go from, it was a little scary. People ask questions and I’m like, “I don’t know, maybe. I mean, it doesn’t seem too bad, but if it’s something that I don’t like, we can stop it and kind of regroup, right?” That is kind of nerve wracking. And then you get to the point of being like, “No, okay, we’re going to change this a little bit.” But it takes a minute to know you’re capable of that.

Jim – Yeah. And I mean, I’ve sent those lists out, but even to send them out to people the first couple of times, it’s like, “Oh God. So, I’m asking if they’re going to do this or that” and it’s, you know, boy/girl, girl/girl, … everything imaginable is on those consent lists. And it’s a little un-nerving the first time you send one of those out or start checking off boxes. But at the end of the day, it’s so important because that’s when you set your boundaries and what you’re comfortable with. It also helps cast and direct the scene.

Ellie – But not everybody goes over notice beforehand. Not everybody sends one of those out or asks for those ahead of time. And that’s where it’s like, “Okay, we didn’t really go over this at all.” So, like, right before I start, “I’m just going to say this, this and this are things I don’t do and if we avoid those few things and we should be okay.” I just don’t want to pause in the middle of something and regroup if we can avoid it, because everybody has more fun, if everybody’s comfortable.

There was a meme going around a couple of years ago that said, “Consent Is Sexy” and not only is it sexy, but it’s also what we’ve all come to expect. When I asked about how camming might have been a good training ground for shooting live scenes, I didn’t stop to consider that audiences watching a live stream could have been such a good training ground for learning about boundaries.

While we were focusing on consent in a performance, the larger conversation should be one that everyone is familiar with, and comfortable having with anyone in their lives, and not limited to the confines of sexuality. Indeed, consent is acknowledging another person as a complete and worthwhile individual and is something I wish more people understood.

Jim – So what’s one of the things that, you know, that is just on your list of “No way, Jose. I’m not into that.”

Ellie – The first one that always comes to mind and the other main ones, I guess, for me would be choking, or hair pulling and the stuff that includes being gagged. That’s not something I’m probably ever going to venture into.

Jim – And I guess a follow up for that would be what are some things that you thought that weren’t okay with and now you’re like, “Alright, I fine with that now.”

Ellie – Um, I wasn’t sure at first about doing group scenes or, like, gangbang anything with more than with couple other people or possibly an orgy situation. I figured I’d probably do that, but I can’t always handle being the only one in the in the group with all the attention on me. It’s like, I’m there with all these people and all of these things in my face, and I have to deal with being the only one who is able to give attention and receive. It’s not quite how that works, but I don’t know how else to explain it coming from the female perspective. It’s a little different because I feel like those are a little more center of attention versus shared attention. So, I finally got it, that with so much going on, I didn’t have to be touching or doing everything, and that ended up being something I’m okay with. Role playing was a bit easier. The Teeny Taboo scene was one of my first actual role play scenes that I did. And so that was fun.

Jim – That scene was cool. And that was the, let’s see, the one with the pigtails. And what was it, your best friend’s dad? How long was that scene? Like 30 or 40 minutes?

Ellie – It was close to like 40 minutes.

Jim – Yeah, something like that, but it didn’t get old, right? I mean, you kept it going. You kept it moving. It was an interesting kind of round the world type of the scene, for lack of a better way to put it. But yeah, and it had a little story to it. It was neat.

Ellie – So the story is good sometimes, but don’t drag it out too long.

Jim – Well, yeah, but you got to set up a little. You have to set up a little bit, right. It’s no fun just to immediately flash from white and there’s a pile of naked people there and you’re like, “Okay, so how did this happen?”

Ellie – Haha, it’s like “What did I just get dumped into?” Still, you’re convincing someone to buy this film.

Jim – You were convincing, and it was good. It’s a good story line. You’re on vacation and run into your best friend’s dad, and your parents just happen to be gone with his wife on a shopping trip. Somehow you wind up alone in a hotel room and …

Ellie – My best friend is gone too, so we’re alone.

Jim – It’s the guy’s lucky day because you just happen to be looking for lessons in how to have sex. Haha. But that’s funny. And that’s the other thing sometimes, that they’re a little bit comical, but not too much. Right? It doesn’t have to be completely serious.

Ellie – Some are a little over the top cheesy, but those can also be like the super fun ones.

Jim – Yeah. And let me know if you ever do a ‘stuck under the coffee table scene,’ I’ll review that one for you, because that’s certainly not an overused topic for film. Haha

Ellie – Well, maybe. Haha. I’ve already gotten stuck in some weird places.

Jim – The stuck in or stuck under a genre is terribly overdone. But I pitched an idea of mechanic shop where the guy or the girl gets stuck under the hood of the car while they’re working on it, but now, we’re getting off topic into my warped world. So let me ask you, just to back up a little bit, but on the Internet Adult Film Database (IAFD), which is one of my constant references, you have “Rising Phoenix” on one of the films. Is that something you’re still using or not?

Ellie – I just checked that again the other day to see if they’d caught any of the new stuff. I need to submit some updates to them because Rising Phoenix is not a name I’ve used since around 2020, but there are a lot of fans who still know me by that name, especially on Chaturbate, which is where I started. But if you look that up, you’re not going to find a profile. It will be a dead result because it’s the same profile I use now under Ellie_Murphy. People will still come in and they’ll call me and be like, “Hey, how are you doing?” So that’s a little strange now because it’s been so long. But that’s the name I started under. I had a lot of people that stuck with me from that, and it’s been a big thing for me.

Jim – But that’s okay. It’s part of your story, though, right?

Ellie – Yeah, it’s mine. I did an interview with YNot when I first started camming, which was also around the time that I was sick. A bad deal with kidney infection. It’s been an adventure since then.

Jim – You also have your tattoo of strength. So, I look at the two of them and see there’s something going on there. The motto is always, you know, onward and upward, as I say.

Ellie – It’s kind of where I came from, the strength, the Phoenix, they’re symbols for me and important in my journey.

Jim – How do you feel like that played into the person, the performer, and the woman that you are today?

Ellie – They all played in the same way. The strength, the Phoenix Rising, they’re all symbols for me, rising from the ashes. Even building up, like you said, has been a big thing for me, in part because I started off a clean slate. I didn’t really know anything. I grew up in a very sheltered religious home, and so everything was off limits. Since none of that was talked about, like the birds and the bees was not a conversation that was had, it was a little tough. And then, as soon as I really started getting going, I was doxed.

Jim – So just for people that don’t know, to be doxed is essentially to be outed. This is her real name. This is where she lives.

Ellie – Yes, but done so with bad intentions, and that’s the big thing. It’s not like an accident, or somebody just found you. It’s somebody intentionally outing you in an attempt to hurt. And so, going through that shortly after having dealt with moving and then getting sick, all that stuff played into it. The strength really came into play there because it’s all about moving forward from this point to now. You’re in that spot where you’re scared of everybody that comes in because you don’t know who it is, what they want, or what they’re going to say. You don’t know if it’s somebody that you know personally, or if it’s some person that is a normal follower or a fan. So that’s been an important thing for me, to keep growing and be who you are and show them that no matter what they do, no matter what they say. This is who I am and I’m going to continue to push on because this is something I want to do. And just because you don’t like what I’m doing, or you say something like, “Oh, her hair was greasy that day or she had a bump on her ass.” That’s not going to stop me. That’s not going to tear me down as a person because I have more respect for who I am and what I want to do.

The idea of someone in the adult industry, or any type of show business, being outed by another, is a far too common occurrence. Still, it is one that not nearly enough fans, and even some fellow performers or media resources, take seriously enough. Performers have always had stage names, for a variety of reasons, and anonymity is only one of the reasons. When a performer puts themselves in the spotlight, without a stage name, they are placing themselves, along with everyone else in their personal lives, out there in the public domain.

When a major Hollywood star or starlet is doxed, there is often a media circus, but there is also often a sharp rebuke aimed at the paparazzi or fan who outed that celeb. But in the world of adult, such activity often goes un-noticed, and without public outcry or reprimand. Meanwhile, the performer who has been doxed now lives in a state of fear that a crazed fan might learn where they live, placing them and their family in danger.

If you are ever in a position where you get to know a performer, keep their real identity a secret. They have a stage name for a reason. Please don’t betray that trust and threaten their livelihood or place another person or persons in harm’s way. Remember– their story, even though you might know it, is not your story to tell.

Jim – You know, it’s fine. Haters gonna hate, right? It comes down to believing in yourself. You mentioned that you were sheltered growing up. I was sheltered too. I had to go to church camp. I couldn’t have rock and roll albums, you know, my mom threw them in the trash. That environment affected me, till I finally got out of it.

Ellie – We went to church on Sundays.

Jim – I had to go to church on Sunday twice, morning and evening, and then on Wednesday night too.

Ellie – Oh my … we didn’t have to go on Wednesday.

Jim – Oh yeah, so we’re in the same boat. I didn’t find out about a lot of stuff until I was older too, but all the while, I was curious. At what age did you think you started to break out of that? And I’m not talking about anything under age 18 or anything, but stuff before you were in the business, maybe even before you went to college, or when you’re still living with your mom and dad. At what age did you start to mentally break out of that?

Ellie – When you think back, everything’s so jumbled timeline wise, it’s gone by so fast. If I had to say, it was around age eighteen or nineteen, after I graduated high school, and then I started really getting away from the religious sheltered side of things when I left for college. I really started exploring who I was outside of all that around the beginning of the second term of freshman year. So yeah, almost nineteen when I started really exploring who I was. It was all the things I couldn’t really explore at home because even I mean, it’s scary to even think about, like trying to look something up on Pornhub or just seeing what this stuff was all about. But I couldn’t do that at home. I don’t care who you are, if your parents walk in and you have something like that on your laptop, it often turns into a really awkward situation.

Jim – Well, for most for most kids, it would be. I’m sure there’s some exceptions to the rule that their parents might sit down and join in, but that’s a whole other conversation. You mentioned college. What did you want to be? What was the dream or aspiration that you were chasing?

Ellie – I wasn’t sure. First about maybe nursing, or the E.R., dealing with trauma, that kind of stuff. But when I took my first class in my sophomore year, I really fell in love with the chemistry side of it. And I’ve always been into science, so I ended up going for pharmacy, a very different path than I’m on now.

Jim – But it shows because you’re well-spoken and educated. You could’ve done anything, but you’re here. Growing up, did you feel like you were popular or outgoing? Because you’re in a profession where, let’s face it, your face is all over the place. Were you always comfortable with that or is that something you grew into?

Ellie – I wouldn’t say I’ve necessarily grown into it yet. I was never really that popular in middle or high school. I was known by a lot of people at school, because we all went to school together since we were little. But even in college, people knew me, and I had a lot of acquaintances, but I wouldn’t consider myself popular. I was outgoing, but that comes from the acting side of things and me having a love for acting and drama and just the theater arts in general. It was more than being in the popular crowd or being one of the cheerleader girls, or that everybody knows your face and knows your name. I try to forget about that aspect of things. It’s still a little daunting to me.

Jim – Fair enough, but you’re getting some attention. Let’s see. So, earlier this year, you had your first couple professional scenes drop. On December 6^th, you had a nice scene come out with Bianca Banks and LA New Girl, right?

Ellie – Yes.

Jim – That was a little bit different than some of the other stuff you put out.

Ellie – Yeah, it’s very different than the other stuff that I had done.

Jim – Different in a good or a bad way?

Ellie – Different in a good way, but … that was the first scene that was girl/girl. So, it was exciting, but different and interesting. I was wondering, “How is this going to go?” I was anxious about it, because some people were really wanting me to be with girls and others are like, “No, I want you to stick with this or whatever.”  So more than anything, it was worrisome to see how people were going to react.

Jim – But with you personally, are girls something that would have ever played into your normal life, like if you weren’t on camera, or on set or anything? Just you?

Ellie – I don’t know, but there’s been a few situations where it could have. The problem is that I’m not assertive enough to be the one to make the first step to actually start doing something. So, I don’t know if it would have actually happened or not, but it very well could have.

Jim – Okay. I was asking because it’s your first girl/girl scene that came out and the thinking is, “How experienced is she?” Or, if it felt weird or fabricated or anything if you weren’t experienced.

Ellie – Even though I wasn’t way experienced, it was good. I liked it. I was just like, “Okay, we’re going to do this.” Again, it wasn’t just my first scene with a girl, it was my first time ever with a girl. But it was way more natural and comfortable because we clicked beforehand and had a chance to talk and communicate before the scene started. So being able to have that connection with the person made it fun and it was an incredibly good experience. I was very happy with the way it turned out.

Jim – Yeah. And I was going to ask you about how much time you had beforehand to get acquainted. And I know for some people it’s five minutes.

Ellie – Yeah. Thankfully, you find out your scene partners ahead of time and we both liked talking about it because we both like watching our own stuff. I don’t know how common that is, but it’s like doing your research before a scene or after seeing how you can make your performance better. So, we were talking about it and I’m like, “Hey, heads up, I’ve not done a girl/girl scene yet and I’m going off your lead here because I know that you have.”

Jim – Really? How’d that work out?

Ellie – It was great. I got very lucky with Bianca being very understanding and easy to work with. I know sometimes not everybody is, and that’s just part of being a woman. I think we’re not all easy to get along with all the time.

Jim – You’re kidding!

Ellie – I know it comes as a surprise, but we can be very high maintenance, Haha.

Jim – Anyway, that scene was an hour and 19 minutes, and she also pulled out a strap on.

Ellie – Yeah, So I thought, “Well, this is new.” But all in all, it was a good experience. I really enjoyed it, and Bianca was a huge part of that.

Jim – I liked it. But I was really surprised that you hadn’t done any girl/girl prior to that, because … in a way, you’ve got a look that just “fits” in girl/girl. I’m not sure how to explain it, but you were so comfortable with her. Sometimes, you come off a little bit timid, a little bit shy. But then once things start rolling, it’s not necessarily the case. At any rate, I pictured you as maybe having more girl/girl material or scenes under your belt.

Ellie – You’re not the first person to say that. And I think for me, it’s kind of the timid part of it coming off. At first, that got in the way of having that. But I’ve also been told that I’m intimidating, which I think is a height thing, but that I think is a part of it too.

Jim – So how tall are you?

Ellie – Five foot ten.

Jim – And you look about 21 or 22.

Ellie – Aww thanks. I’m 27.

Jim – I think that scene is interesting because it shows kind of an evolution. We’ve got girl/girl, boy/girl, and you’ve done plenty of POV shoots. So, up to this point, what do you think is your favorite or the most comfortable genre that you’ve done?

Ellie – I think it’s boy/girl. POVs are nice, but my favorites are when I’m not the only face on camera. I think it’s a little more natural for me. I’m less concerned about what my face is doing or if I’m blocking something versus just, a more gonzo style?

Jim – Yeah. And if you have a couple of different camera angles to choose from, it takes a lot of that pressure off you. Especially when there’s another person. As far as directors or photographers, I love the set that you did with Miles Long.

Ellie – It’s one of my favorite shoots that I’ve done. I will say it’s very different from what I had done previously as far as it’s more … not old school, but classic, I guess? But it was also fun because it was a lot of learning more about body positioning and how to work with the camera. Miles was a great director to be working with for that. He really worked the shoot and wasn’t like, “Just do whatever you think is sexy …”

Jim – Yeah. It’s like, are you directing the shoot or not? Right? And I know his style, and he’ll really think through a lot of stuff, get the set right, work with the model, and get those great shots.

Ellie – It’s a big difference because when you can’t see yourself, or how I’m positioned, I don’t know if it’s actually okay or not without a good director. And it can be small stuff, like if my hair is doing a curl here or it’s laying wrong across my face? But he caught all that, so afterwards, I’m not like, “Oh, I should have like pulled that back,” but I couldn’t see it. So, I’m relying on that because I don’t know if I look like a goofball or not. Haha

Jim – I’m a big fan of Miles, and I think he has a really good way of capturing not only really good images, but also the personality of a model. And he did that with you. It’s more than just the image because he’s got great angles and the best equipment. I can see your eyes, and even the small expressions on your face. He brings that out that when other guys might miss.

Ellie – I love the thing you mention with getting my expressions. But one of my other favorites from that shoot is that we did two sets. The lingerie set, and then like a normal, more so everyday kind of thing. So, having that and having the lingerie showed two completely different sides of me. One was a little more mature, one was a little more playful. And so being able to do that shows the personality aspects of it, and he did a fantastic job of directing me. It was probably one of the favorite shoots I’ve done so far.

Jim – And that’s what makes him the award-winning photographer director that he is. So yeah, I was really I was happy to look at some of those and felt like he did an extraordinary job with you.

Ellie – I was amazed with the pictures when they came out and was like, “Those are mine. They’re keepers.”

Jim – Yeah, well, that’s the good reaction that you hope for, right? It’s better than, “Oh no, go shove those up your ass because I don’t want those anywhere. I don’t want anybody to see those.” Haha

Ellie – I’ve had those too.

Jim – I’m sure that everybody has. The other thing I was thinking about with pics, is social media, let’s take your Twitter feed. I like it because, and I’ve mentioned this to other performers, it’s not all triple X shit with legs up behind the ears. You know what I mean? You’re obviously intelligent and you can put some thoughts out there, without pics all the time, and that resonates with people. How do you feel about all that, or the reaction from your fans. Do you feel like you’re hitting the mark on social media?

Ellie – Some days I’m lucky to touch the mark, and sometimes I do a pretty good job. Overall, social media has been a learning curve since the beginning. But I was not really a social media person beforehand. And so, it’s been an interesting journey to see. Sometimes people are really into it and they’re like, “Oh yeah, she’s got thoughts on this.”  And other times they’re just like, “Oh, hey, cutie, I like the picture over here.” So, I think having that variation helps. But yeah, I don’t post very many X rated photos or vids to my Twitter feed, but that’s by design.

Jim – You don’t want to give everything away for free, right?

Ellie – Yeah. And that’s kind of my thought. “You want to see this? You got to go over there. I’m not posting that here.” If the entire world can see it for free, then what’s the point in searching for my stuff or seeking out more of what I would be doing? This is my job. So yeah, I’m advertising but I want my fans to check out my sites, right?”

Jim – Sure, I don’t disagree at all. So, you’re with 101 Modeling, and they do your bookings, but you’ve still gotta self-promo. The question really is, even with an agency, I know that a lot of people think you don’t have to go out and really try to promo yourself and try to work. And I don’t think that’s true at all. Even when you’ve got an agent, it’s still a lot of work.

Ellie – It’s a lot more work than I was expecting as far as like self-promotion. The major thing I’ve run into is, you have to be careful that you come across like you’re horny all the time, but not so horny that you’ll hook up with people, or that you just want to have sex with whoever for whatever reason. You know, this is a business. I do okay with it, but I’m still not good at taking cute selfies and posting every little thing, but I’m growing into it. I enjoy seeing reactions of fans.

Jim – Are there any causes that you really care about or that you would promote or get behind, like stray animals? I don’t know. That’s like my personal Facebook … it’s all stray animals.

Ellie – Suicide prevention is one of them. Another is awareness for struggles that people have medically, the not so talked about illnesses. Breast cancer is the one everybody knows about, and it’s no joke. One of the things that I’ve gotten into is the ribbon warrior stuff where there’s all the colors of the rainbow for different conditions. One of my biggest passions with that is getting information out there and being an advocate for people who don’t have the access to the resources for things. Another thing that I care deeply about are models coming into the industry and if they have questions or needs and they’re unsure who to talk with about that.

Jim – Yeah, that’s important stuff and from my perspective is something I look for. The more I know about somebody or a performer, the more opportunities to become interested, you know, and fans are the same way, they’re gonna be drawn to that.

Ellie – A lot of things and people are like, “Oh, don’t talk about if you deal with depression or anxiety or mental health stuff, don’t talk about any of that on social media because then you’ll get stigmatized. People won’t book you because of this, that, or the other.” I’m sure that’s true to a certain point, and you have to be careful about your image. So, the question becomes, “How do you find that balance in getting people to know who you are without having a face-to-face conversation or coming off as being difficult.” So, I’m getting stuff out there, but it’s a process of sometimes finding the right words.

Jim – You’re doing fine. If I sounded like I knocked your Twitter feed, I didn’t mean to. So, I’m sure you get this question in chat rooms. Are you married, single, or attached?

Ellie – I am married. When people come in and ask, I just tell them that I’m in a relationship because in the chat rooms, you get some weird reactions with the married thing. I’m not closed off about being in a relationship or that I’m married, but it’s easier that way. It’s definitely something that I cherish and I’m proud of, being in the industry and having this great relationship.

Jim – It doesn’t work for everybody though, so that’s cool. I’m happy for you. If you had to choose one key part of the relationship that you’re able to do (being in the adult business) and yet, you’re in a committed, trusting, caring relationship with another person?

Ellie – I think the biggest thing for me, and for us, is that we can openly talk about it. There’s a term a lot of people use to talk about people outside the industry, like normies or civilians, because they really don’t know anything about our world, and from that kind of observer standpoint it can be difficult for people to imagine what things are like. But we both have knowledge and experience of the industry, and I think it’s probably been the biggest factor of our success. We understand what’s going on and we can talk about it and that’s what keeps problems that could happen from happening. We also talk about … just anything, and it’s a nice thing to have.

Jim – Yeah. And to have that is really, I think is a special thing to have somebody. Not everybody has that. And if you don’t, this business can tend to be extremely lonely, even though from the outside point of view, they might not see that.

Ellie – And it’s a security thing, too. If somebody gets weird and starts questioning in the wrong way when it comes to fans or something, having somebody that always has your back is priceless. If something crazy were to happen, you’re not alone. And I think for me, that would be terrifying. As a single female in this industry, not living with somebody or not having a roommate would be very difficult. Let’s say that someone randomly shows up at an event, or at a grocery store and is acting a little off. If you’re not alone, it’s less likely they’re going to approach you and the situation probably won’t escalate.

Jim – I guess coming from where you’re coming from, a young and attractive female, there’s a little bit heightened awareness that I wouldn’t think about. Let’s say somebody might come up to you, they might be completely innocent. But knowing what you know, you’re ready for the worst.

Ellie – And I think that’s from life, but also from parts of the business, from having experienced some of those weird vibes in chat rooms and knowing that it’s possible and could happen in real life. I think that, in general, people are weirder on the Internet than they are in person, because people will come in and just do random shit just to see your reaction and throw you off. I don’t think people would do it in person as much, but you never know.

Jim – But it’s good that you have that as far as you’re concerned. There’s nothing weird going on after hours because, you go home, and you’ve got your deal. Work is work and home is home. I’m glad you have that. You mentioned fans, but in everything else, business related, do you feel like that’s a help or a hindrance for you, like in getting work, or playing certain parts or characters?

Ellie – In some respects it’s more of a hindrance because it does ruin some people’s fantasy. It’s like, “If she’s married, I don’t have a chance.” But for some people it makes it even better because you really are untouchable. And that whole genre, like the cheating thing, which I’ve never understood, and the hooking up with a person that is taken is better for some and not so much for others.

Jim – But at the end of the day, all of you guys are untouchable. You know what I mean? If I’m a fan, I see pictures, maybe I get to chat, maybe I don’t. But it’s not like most guys or girls are going to drive to your house and show up. I think they get it.

Ellie – Yeah. I think it’s whether you realize it’s a fantasy or not, whether you realize how real the situation is, and that’s when it gets dangerous.

Jim – Well, and again, sometimes it comes down to either you’re in the business or you’re outside the business. Then again, some people are going to respect the hell out of that, and it won’t make a difference to others. But I’m happy that you have found your little mix and I think you’re correct. Communication and honesty are so important. I don’t care what kind of relationship you’re in. If you don’t have that, you don’t have much.

Ellie – Yeah, but communication is important in every part of life. It’s like, if people have something they’re unsure of or something they’re feeling, but they don’t know how to share it. That’s where problems arise, like some of these ‘girl fights’ that happen online. If you have something you want to ask or you’re unsure because somebody said something, just come ask me. Don’t just make assumptions based on somebody else’s opinion. Like, I know what’s really going on, especially when it comes to being in a world where everybody says what they want based on what they see without knowing the person these days, and that’s just the way social media and everything is. And I’ve struggled with issues like that where, “Oh, well, since you seem so shy, or you seem so standoffish …” I don’t mean to be that way, but it’s part of being concerned for my personal safety.

Jim – I think you should ignore the standoffish comments. I don’t see you that way. I see you as more of somebody that’s just aware. You’re in control of yourself and you’re not just going to give that away. So, I don’t know that that’s necessarily standoffish.

Ellie – It’s just that’s what I’ve heard the most. But I get it. Meanwhile, it’s like, “I’m friendly. I promise I don’t bite. Well, not without consent.” Haha.

Jim – Yep, not without the consent form, then maybe you will. But yeah, I don’t see you that way. So, knowing what you know now, what kind of advice would you offer to somebody who is just getting into the business?

Ellie – The biggest piece of advice, right off the bat would be to make sure this is something you want to do, and it’s not necessarily just a whim, like, “Oh yeah, that looks fun. I’m going to do that once and then go about with whatever else.” Because if it’s not, it will have an impact on career choices and other things afterwards. Make sure whatever you decide to do, that you’ve made that decision, and that somebody hasn’t made it for you. Stand up for yourself and be okay with who you are. Don’t let anybody else decide who you are for you, make those decisions for yourself. Because if you don’t, at the end of the day, that’s going to be a very exhausting journey.

Jim – Yeah. And it’s something that sounds cliche, but it’s one that you can’t really take back. You can’t really take stuff back from the Internet or off film once you’ve done it.

Ellie – The internet is forever.

Jim – Yep, the internet is forever. But that’s good advice. To really know yourself, make your own decisions, and not let somebody else push you into a spot where you really don’t feel like you should be. So, where do you see Ellie Murphy a year from now?

Ellie – Further down the road than I am now, as in more scenes, and better, solid work. Hopefully, I’ll feel more mainstream, and less reliant on camming, per se. If I were to focus on being online versus shooting, I’d rather concentrate on more mainstream industry shoots. Also, laying the groundwork for my own production stuff has been one thing that I would really like to get started. Eventually, that’s really where I’d like to be, on both sides of the camera.

Jim – So, what studios, directors, or other performers would be on your wish list? And I’m talking a year from now, but also maybe five, or whatever, what’s on your radar as far as who you’d like to work with?

Ellie – Studios? Well, as far as like some of the main ones, Team Skeet and Brazzers are two of the big ones that I would love to shoot for. Oh, and … what’s the one you’re in with? RTR Media? Haha. That one too!

Jim – Okay … I don’t know that I’m supposed to work deals during an interview, but we’ll be in touch. Haha. Team Skeet and Brazzers are top shelf any day of the week though, so we’ll be on the lookout for those. So, tell me, what’s a question that I did not ask, but that you wish that I would have asked you?

Ellie – Hmmm … The biggest thing, I guess, would be the divisions between different parts of industry, and how do we get past it. That’s been my biggest struggle.

Jim – What do you mean?

Ellie – Well, one of the things that really irks me is that a lot of performers on the mainstream side, meaning those who are shooting onset, don’t always consider camming as being part of the “industry.”

Jim – Okay, so let’s talk about that for a minute because it honestly bothers me a little bit too. Like you’ll go to Exxxotica, or I’ll talk to whoever and they’re a cam girl, but you somehow can’t really talk to them or even maybe look at them in the same way that you would somebody that does a scene. And some of the dancers are the same way. I don’t fully understand that because I’m not female and I’m not a dancer or a cam girl or do scenes. So, it’s a weird mix, but I would like to see some of those dividing walls go away.

Ellie – The only thing I can think of is because when people think adult industry, they just think strippers, escorts, and of course, those who do movies, what I’m calling mainstream. And it has something to do with putting yourself out there in real life, to the point where camgirls somehow don’t fit into that mold. It’s like cammers are a separate part of the business.

Whether it’s division within the adult industry, the everyday workplace, or in our personal lives, I felt this portion of my interview with Ellie Murphy touched on an important topic in the world today – empathy and respect for other people, and how vital that is for each of us to develop and grow as human beings.

Ellie went on to talk about abusive behavior she had experienced while camming, pointing out the way so many people choose to behave behind anonymous screen names in chat rooms. Although I was not totally surprised, I still felt sickened that she had felt this way and imagined all the other models who have endured such treatment by their “fans.”

This is best summed up by recognizing that– while we are all different, we are all human beings, striving to do the best we can. So, why not lend a helping hand, and offer encouragement. Adult work and sex work, whether or not it comes with a beautiful box cover, is real work and part of the “industry.”

Ellie – The sex, I agree, is a big part of it, but for whatever reason, many don’t consider it (camming) industry, and I think it should be. You go to work, you set up, and do your scene. I mean, once I go live, it’s a full day of work. It might not seem obvious to some, but I’m doing this performance for however many hours, and I’ve got a set up that is a lot like being onset for content shoots. Plus, even though it’s “just you” on cam, there are people live, in your face. Most of them are nice, while others might be yelling at you and saying weird shit– and it’s not always nice shit sometimes.

Jim – So, that online experience can be intense. I’ve heard that before.

Ellie – I love it, but there are times when it’s literally all the strangest people in the world, and they’re all in my chat. So, the question I would ask someone who doesn’t consider camming to be industry is this– Could they perform live in front of people onset that are talking out of turn, or not being so nice? I know, because I’ve had the pleasure of being in both places, that if people get out of line onset, they are asked to leave. But like I said earlier, when people are online, they tend to act like there are no boundaries, and then it’s up to the performer to deal with it, kick them out, or stop the show. The pressure is different because people are commenting on it the whole time and it’s like there’s a different mindset to it. I guess my biggest thing with camming is that it’s the same thing you guys do, but we do it in front of a live audience, and usually by ourselves. But it’s still work that is being broadcast.

Jim – Yeah. I don’t disagree at all with that. And I think that if there was any number of people onset, heckling or yelling at them, or throwing popcorn at their ass, that’s going to be cut. And you take a minute and clear up whatever is going on. So, I can see where you’re coming from.

Ellie – And if it wasn’t such an industry thing, how come so many industry people are migrating towards camming? So, we just had another moratorium on shoots. It’s only for a week, but we are still on a production hold. Nobody can do anything. But hey, with the cam models, they get to keep going. And so, there’s a lot of mainstream girls that are starting to go to the camming side of it because they can have consistent income. To say we do it for the same reasons and deserve the same respect isn’t quite the way that I want to say it, but it’s definitely a legit job and part of the industry. One thing I hear is that anybody can get into camming, and that’s as ridiculous as saying anybody can get into porn and make movies. Yeah, you might try it, but to be successful, you have to look at it like a job, not something you’re going to do as a side thing. A lot of people through your community that I’ve met started out that way (in camming). It wasn’t a job career choice. It was for fun and then they transitioned. Now with all the COVID stuff, a lot of people have gone back to it, and maybe that’s part of it, why they don’t consider it industry. But if it’s your job, it is industry.

Jim – Agreed. So, how would we go about breaking those stigmas and barriers between the separate worlds as they were in the industry? How do you see a good way of going about that?

Ellie – It’s people in general, not just between the industries. If you take regular people, some of whom are against porn, but everybody has sex and so many enjoy watching porn but getting people to admit that is the hard part. You know, it’s like when parents won’t discuss sex in an open way with their kids. Meanwhile, it’s like, “I’m here,” so something was obviously going on. Haha.

Jim – Obviously, something was going on …

Ellie – But also, there’s things like everybody thinking we are insatiable nymphomaniacs all the time. And we want all the sex with all the people and we’re doing all this crazy shit. And that’s not necessarily the case. There’s a lot of people in the industry that have degrees and people don’t realize that. They think a lot of women are uneducated or are being forced into this, at least, some of them do. And yes, I’m educated. Yes, I’ve made this choice. No, it’s not being forced on me. Yes, I like doing this. And yes, it’s okay to be interested in sex. It’s okay to like sex. It’s okay to be a sexual creature as a woman. It’s okay. I promise. You can calm down, people. And breaking the barriers between the two has been a little more difficult for me to figure out on how I would do that. I’m documenting my own transition, and that’s part of it, but going behind the camera is the other, along with helping people coming into it and being able to learn how it works.

Jim – That’s a lofty goal, and I’ve heard that a lot. But you’re right, the girls and guys need to reassure the public at large that this is an okay thing to do, that it’s a normal thing to do, if you choose to do it.

Ellie – Well, yeah, I think that the biggest thing here is that if the performers would figure it out that the industry would not exist without them. They literally have all the power in this industry. And if they would just stand up and say, “No, we’re not going to play this game anymore. We’re here on our own, and we deserve respect.”  One huge problem is that everybody thinks that they’re all being exploited, or that they’re all being trafficked. But we are in this to elevate ourselves. Joanna Angel and Small Hands are inspiring to me, and Lacy Lennon is inspiring too, and I’d love to get to work with her in the future. Those are a couple examples, but I’d like to see more females on the production side of the business.

Jim – Okay, so you’re in camming, you’re in scenes, you’re in whatever, and you want to keep doing this and move on to bigger and better things. What’s the number one thing you’ve learned, either from your own experiences or from others, that’s gonna give you the tools to do this? What does Ellie Murphy bring to the table.

Ellie – Permission. I’m learning to control more. So, I’m focusing on the energy and the realistic aspects, the more natural look to things in the way that I perform. I feel like that is something that’s unique and makes the scene believable. I truly enjoy being onset and doing these scenes and I want more opportunities to shine. The thing that gets me is, when you see someone and you know they’re “acting” … like then, it’s not even a turn on. When I’m on, I’m in the moment but I’m not over the top. You can see it when someone is just going through the paces, and I don’t want that. Or, if someone is just over the top playing it up. I don’t want to be in anything that’s fake or rushed. I want my content to shine.

Jim – So, you’re genuine, smart, intelligent, and out in front. And … you don’t want to fake anything?

Ellie – Yeah, the worst thing is when someone is just barely touching, for like a split second, and the person onscreen is like, “Oh, my God!!!” And she’s having a screaming orgasm within two seconds? Sorry, that’s not how women work, guys. So, I want to be authentic, and let that play into the fantasies of my fans. Everybody loves the girl next door who can and will do just about anything, and that’s me.

Jim – There you have it. It’s Ellie Murphy and she knows who she is and I’m here to tell you she’s awesome! Wow, I had a great time talking with you. Thank you so much for your time today.

Ellie – Me too! Thank you for your time.

Jim – I’ll remind everyone to follow your Twitter, Instagram, and to get you on their set, contact 101 Modeling Inc. Thanks again!

Follow Ellie Murphy and find all her links below:

101 Modeling Inc. http://www.101modeling.com/

Twitter @TheEllieMurphy – https://twitter.com/TheEllieMurphy

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Ellie Murphy Official Website – https://elliemurphyxxx.com/

OnlyFans – https://onlyfans.com/elliemurphy

ManyVids – https://www.manyvids.com/Profile/1002793365/Ellie-Murphy/Store/Videos/

Pornhub – https://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/ellie-murphy

Chaturbate – https://chaturbate.com/ellie_murphy/

Cammodels – https://theelliemurphy.cammodels.com/

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